
America 250: Patriotism, History and the Battle Over America’s Story
Clip: 6/23/2026 | 17m 43sVideo has Closed Captions
Yoni Appelbaum discusses how we tell the American story.
The 250th anniversary of America is approaching. The rivalry between President Trump's Freedom 250 group and the bipartisan non-profit America250 over celebrations signals a fray in the country's unity and belief in founding ideals. The Atlantic's Deputy Executive Editor, Yoni Appelbaum, joins the show to discuss the telling of the American story in the midst of division over a common narrative.
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America 250: Patriotism, History and the Battle Over America’s Story
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The 250th anniversary of America is approaching. The rivalry between President Trump's Freedom 250 group and the bipartisan non-profit America250 over celebrations signals a fray in the country's unity and belief in founding ideals. The Atlantic's Deputy Executive Editor, Yoni Appelbaum, joins the show to discuss the telling of the American story in the midst of division over a common narrative.
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Learn Moreabout PBS online sponsorshipWE ARE ABOUT TO CELEBRATE OUR 250th.
WHY IS IT IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE A NARRATIVE?
A NARRATIVE OF OUR HISTORY IN ORDER TO CELEBRATE OUR BIRTHDAY?
>> YOU KNOW, THIS WAS A COUNTRY BUILT ON AN IDEA, THAT WE ARE EACH EQUAL TO EACH OTHER AND THAT WE ARE COMMITTED TO A COMMON PROJECT, AND IN A NATION THAT IS BUILT AROUND AN IDEA NOT TO BE ABLE TO TELL THAT STORY, NOT TO BE ABLE TO CALL BACK TO THAT COMMON PAST --A PAST THAT NEW ARRIVALS TO THIS COUNTRY ARE ABLE TO ADOPT AS THEIR OWN, LEAVES US UNABLE TO COME TOGETHER IN ANY KIND OF NATIONAL SUBMISSION AND LEAVES THE FUTURE OF THAT PROJECT I THINK UNCERTAIN IN ITSELF.
>> WELL, YOU TALK ABOUT US HAVING A NARRATIVE THAT IS SORT OF BASED ON VALUES RATHER THAN BEING A NATION THAT IS BASED ON LAND INHERITED, AND COMMON BACKGROUNDS.
LET ME READ YOUR SENTENCE AND THE PIECE YOU WROTE IN ATLANTIC.
HE SAID AT NATION DEFINED BY BLOOD AND SOIL BUILT AROUND A SHARED RELIGION OR ETHNICITY CAN SURVIVE IF URGENT NARRATIVES.
TO A COUNTRY BUILT ON AN IDEA, THOUGH, AND BOUND TOGETHER BY A SHARED UNDERSTANDING OF OUR HISTORY, THE INABILITY TO TELL A COMMON STORY MIGHT WELL PROVE FATAL.
I MEAN, FIDDLE.
THAT'S A PUNCH OF A WORD.
I CAN'T --CAN IT BE THE DEATH OF US ALL?
>> YOU LOOK AT AMERICAN HISTORY, MOST NOTABLY THE DECADES LEADING UP TO THE CIVIL WAR, WHERE THERE WAS A RADICAL DISJUNCTION IN THE STORIES AGAINST TOLD THEMSELVES ABOUT WHAT THE COUNTRY WAS AND WHAT IT STOOD FOR.
THIS CAN BE REALLY HARD TO RESOLVE.
I THINK A LOT OF AMERICANS AND I NUMBER MYSELF AMONG THEM ARE WORRIED ABOUT WHERE THE COUNTRY IS AT PRESENT, CONCERNED THAT AN INCREASING NUMBER OF AMERICANS NO LONGER BELIEVE IN THIS NATION'S PROMISE.
NO LONGER SEE THEMSELVES AS A SINGLE COMMON PROJECT BUT INSTEAD ARE CONCERNED THAT THERE MAY BE MORE THAN ONE NARRATIVE THAT HAS TAKEN ROOT, THAT THEY MAY BE AT ODDS WITH EACH OTHER AND THAT'S INCREDIBLE THIS INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT THING TO RESOLVE.
A >> LET ME GO BACK TO THAT.
BUT IF THERE ARE INDEED LOTS OF DIFFERENT NARRATIVES IN OUR AMERICAN HISTORY AND WHAT IF THEY ARE HARD TO RESOLVE?
WHAT THEN?
>> WELL, I THINK THERE ARE IN FACT LOTS OF NARRATIVES.
AMERICANS THINK OF THEMSELVES AS PARTS OF MANY COMMUNITIES.
VERY FEW OF US HAVE ONLY A SINGLE IDENTITY TO WHICH WE SUBSCRIBE AND IT'S POSSIBLE TO TELL THOSE STORIES AS COMMON THREADS THAT ARE BRAIDED TOGETHER, BUT THEY NEED TO BRAID.
THEY NEED TO INTERTWINE AND TO MAKE OUT OF THE RICH DIVERSITY OF AMERICAN PAST SOME SORT OF COHERENT NATIONAL PROJECT.
IN THE ABSENCE OF THAT, IF YOU GET TWO BRAIDS THAT DIVERGE FROM EACH OTHER, AND THE THING PULLS APART.
>> SO TELL ME, WHAT IS, IN YOUR MIND, THE NATIONAL ACTIVE?
HOW DO THINGS BECOME COHERENT?
>> YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE ARE THREE NARRATIVES THAT ARE OUT THERE AT THE MOMENT, THE ONE I THINK MOST MORGAN'S SOUL SUBSCRIBE TO IS ONE THAT EMERGES OVER THE LAST 50 YEARS AND IT SAYS, LOOK, AMERICA IS A COUNTRY FOUNDED ON A SET OF IDEALS.
GOOD IDEALS.
TIMELESS IDEALS.
IT'S ALSO THE CASE THAT WE HAVE SELDOM LIVED UP TO THEM, THAT THE 250 YEARS OF THE AMERICAN PAST ARE A CONTINUAL STRUGGLE IN WHICH WE MEASURE OURSELVES AGAINST THOSE IDEALS.
ON THE WHOLE, WE MOVE FORWARD AND SOMETIMES, WE MOVE BACKWARDS.
WE'VE APPLIED THOSE IDEALS UNEQUALLY TO DIFFERENT GROUPS AT DIFFERENT TIMES, BUT THE PROJECT --THE GRAND AMERICAN EXPERIMENT REMAINS WORTH PURSUING , EVEN IF LIKE MOST ASPIRATIONAL IDEALS, WE DON'T ALWAYS LIVE UP TO THE FOUNDING VISION.
>> AND THAT WAS WHAT I THINK WAS TAUGHT IN THE 60s, 70s, 80s.
WHY DID THAT UNRAVEL?
>> YOU KNOW, IT'S COME UNDER ATTACK FROM BOTH LENGTHS AT ONCE.
ON THE LEFT, THERE'S A REVOLUTION THAT HAPPENS IN THE STUDY OF HISTORY.
THE DOORS TO THE ECONOMY WIDEN.
WOMEN ARE ABLE TO ENTER THE WORKFORCE IN LARGE NUMBERS.
VARIOUS MEMBERS OF MINORITY GROUPS ANSWER.
THIS IS A WONDERFUL ADVANCEMENT FOR THE COUNTRY.
THEY SAID ABOUT TELLING MANY OF THE FORGOTTEN AND NEGLECTED STORIES.
THEY SAID ABOUT WEAVING IN TO THE FABRIC OF AMERICAN HISTORY MANY OF THE DARKER EPISODES THAT HAD RECEIVED INSUFFICIENT ATTENTION.
THAT'S A POSITIVE DEVELOPED, BUT AS TIME GOES ON, INSTEAD OF THOSE BEING THE CONTRAPUNTAL NOTES INSERTED OF A NATIONAL TEAM, THEY BECOME DOMINANT.
THEY BECOME THE ONLY THINGS THAT ARE PURSUED AND TAUGHT BY SOME SCHOLARS.
>> ARE YOU REFERRING IN SOME WAYS TO THE 1619 PROJECT THEN?
BECAUSE I YOU WRITE ABOUT IT QUITE A BIT ABOUT IT IN THIS PIECE.
>> THE DEFINING MOMENT IN THIS PIECE IS THE START OF SLAVERY, NOT THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE.
AND IT COMES OUT OF A SCHOLARLY TRADITION THAT FLOURISHED IN THE PREVIOUS 30, 40 YEARS THAT SAYS THESE THINGS THAT ARE DISTINCTIVE ABOUT AMERICA ARE ITS WRONGS, ITS SINS.
THE THINGS THAT DIFFERENTIATE AMERICA FROM OTHER LANDS, OTHER NATIONS.
>> WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE 1619 PROJECT, LET'S MAKE SURE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT IT WAS A PROJECT DONE BY THE NEW YORK TIMES AND OTHERS, A WHOLE GROUP OF PEOPLE, THAT HAD A BIG IMPACT IN THE PAST FIVE OR 10 YEARS.
RIGHT?
EXPLAIN WHO DID IT AND WHAT SHE SAYS ABOUT IT.
>> IT WAS PUT TOGETHER BY NICOLE HUNTER JONES.
WHAT SHE DID WAS PUT TOGETHER AN ASSEMBLAGE OF SCHOLARS TO CONTRIBUTE ESSAYS THAT WOULDN'T JUST BE ABOUT THE BLACK EXPERIENCE IN AMERICA BUT WOULD TRY TO REWRITE THE AMERICAN NARRATIVE CENTERING THE BLACK EXPERIENCE, NOT TELLING A NEW STORY BUT RETELLING THE NATIONAL STORY FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE.
IN MANY WAYS, IT REFLECTED THE FRUITS OF THIS SCHOLARSHIP THAT WE GET AS THE DIVERSITY OF HISTORIANS WERE TELLING THE AMERICAN STORY INCREASES.
THERE'S LOTS OF REALLY GOOD HISTORY IN THAT PROJECT, BUT ON THE WHOLE, THE FRAME IS THAT AMERICA STARTS IN A DARK PLACE, AND REMAINS A COUNTRY DEFINED BY ITS INJUSTICES.
THAT IS THE OVERALL THRUST OF THE PROJECT.
IT PROVOKES A FURIOUS BACKLASH FROM THE RED, WHICH HAS IN ANY CASE BEEN PUSHING BACK AGAINST THIS SORT OF HISTORY FOR DECADES.
WHICH SAYS, NO, YOU'RE GETTING AMERICA ALL WRONG.
THIS IS A NATION THAT WAS CONCEIVED WITH GODLY PURPOSE AND TO THE EXTENT THAT WE HAVE SOMETIMES DEVIATED FROM OUR HIGH IDEALS, THAT'S A MATTER FOR THE FOOTNOTES.
YOU KNOW, THE KEYNOTES TO SOUND ABOUT THE WRECK AND HISTORY ARE THE TRIUMPHAL ONES.
IF YOU HAVE DEVIATED FROM OUR IDEALS THAT'S NOT TO SAY THOSE CONCEPTIONS WERE EVER FLAWED OR, YOU KNOW, THAT THE MEN WHO MADE THOSE MISTAKES SHOULDN'T BE TAKEN TO BE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE AMERICAN PROJECT.
WE SHOULD FOCUS ON THE THINGS WE'VE DONE RIGHT, AND THAT TRIUMPHALIST NARRATIVE, THE HYPER AMERICAN NARRATIVE COMES TO TAKE ROOT ON THE RIGHT AND PRESIDENT TRUMP IN HIS FIRST TERM IN RESPONSE TO THE 6019 PROJECT WATCHES THAT 1776 COMMISSION THAT WILL TRY TO ADVANCE A PATRIOTIC HISTORY INSTEAD OF EMPHASIZING ONLY THE BAD IN AMERICAN HISTORY, IT WILL TRY TO LOOK ONLY AT THE GOOD ANSWER YOU GET THIS -- THIS SORT OF DOWNWARD SPIRAL AS THE RIGHT AND THE LEFT PUT FORTH TWO DIAMETRICALLY OPPOSED VERSIONS OF HISTORY AND NEITHER ONE LOOKS LIKE WHAT AMERICANS TELL US THEY BELIEVE ABOUT THE PASTOR WANT TO LEARN ABOUT THE PAST.
OVERWHELMINGLY, I CAN SAY, OUR COUNTRY IS COME TO GET IT.
I WANT TO KNOW THE BAD AND THE GOOD.
I WANT TO GRAPPLE THE COMPLEXITY.
I WANT THE FULL PICTURE.
I WANT THE HONEST TRUTH.
THAT IS WHERE MOST AMERICANS ARE.
IT'S NOT THE NARRATIVE THAT YOU CAN FIND ON EITHER EXTREME AT THE MOMENT.
>> WELL, IF YOU SAY AT THE MOMENT MOST AMERICANS WANT THE COMPLEXITY OF AMERICAN HISTORY, ARE YOU WORRIED ABOUT PRESIDENT TRUMP NOW, NOT JUST IN HIS FIRST TERM, TRYING TO TAKE THINGS OUT OF EVERYTHING FROM THE SMITHSONIAN TO THE NATIONAL PARKS AND MAKE THE HISTORY A LITTLE MORE SANITIZED?
>> I AM EXTREMELY WORRIED THAT THE MAN IS NOT A REAL PATRIOT.
IF YOU REALLY LOVE YOUR COUNTRY, IF YOU BELIEVE IN THE POWER OF THE AMERICAN STORY, THEN YOU DON'T NEED TO CENSOR IT.
THEN YOU BELIEVE THAT AMERICANS CAN KNOW THE TRUTH ABOUT THEIR COUNTRY AND STILL LOVE IT.
AND SO THERE IS A CURIOUS LACK OF CONFIDENCE THAT IS ON DISPLAY WHENEVER THE PRESIDENT ORDERS EXPLANATORY PLAQUE OR TAKEN DOWN, A TEXTBOOK EXCISED FROM THE CURRICULUM.
WHAT IS HAPPENING THERE IS A SORT OF CURIOUS AND FRAGILE APPROACH TO THE PAST.
ONE WHICH SAYS, AMERICANS AREN'T CAPABLE OF HOLDING MULTIPLE IDEAS IN THEIR HEAD AT THE SAME TIME.
THEY CAN'T UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE SOMETIMES FALLEN SHORT OF OUR IDEALS.
IT IS DANGEROUS TO TELL THE TRUTH.
I DON'T THINK IT'S EVER DANGEROUS TO TELL THE TRUTH.
WHEN I TALKED TO NICOLE AT THE TIME, ONE OF THE THINGS SHE TOLD ME IS THAT PATRIOTISM WAS ALWAYS A WORD THAT SHE HAS DRAWN WITH SUSPICION.
FATHER'S COMMITMENT TO RAISE THE AMERICAN FLAG.
UNTIL SHE REALLY STARTED RESEARCHING THE 1619 PROJECT AND CAME ACROSS THE NARRATIVES AND STATEMENTS MADE BY FREED PEOPLE WHICH SHE EXPECTED TO SAY TO HECK WITH AMERICA I'M GOING SOMEPLACE ELSE AND I'M GOING TO LEAVE THE PLANT THAT OPPRESSED ME.
INSTEAD WHAT SHE FOUND THEM SAYING IS THIS IS MY COUNTRY AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE IT LIVES UP TO ITS IDEALS AND THAT ACTUALLY FIRED THE FIRST SPARKS OF PATRIOTISM WITHIN HER.
I THINK THAT'S OFTEN THE CASE, THAT LOOKING BACK AT THESE DARKER CHAPTERS CAN BE DISCOURAGING BUT IT IS ALSO A SOURCE OF CONTINUED INSPIRATION BECAUSE EVEN THE DARKEST MOMENTS IN OUR HISTORY, THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE WHO CHOSE TO STAND UP FOR THE AMERICAN IDEAL, CHOSE TO FIGHT FOR IT AND CHOSE TO TRY TO MAKE THIS COUNTRY COME CLOSER TO THE VISION IT HAD SET.
>> YOU TALKED ABOUT HOW BOTH SIDES OF THE FAR LEFT, THE FAR RIGHT HAD TRIED TO GRAB THAT THE NARRATIVE AND MAKE IT THEIR OWN IN DIFFERENT WAYS AND THAT THAT HAS CAUSED PART OF THIS PROBLEM BUT YOU ALSO WRITE ABOUT ANOTHER CAUSE OF THIS PROBLEM, WHICH IS, WE QUIT TEACHING HISTORY.
WHY DO WE DO THAT?
>> IT WAS ONE OF THE REMARKABLE THINGS I FOUND RESEARCHING THIS WAS SORT OF AN UNEXPECTED DOWNSIDE OF THE EDUCATIONAL REFORMS IN THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION THAT THE NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND REFORMS -- THESE WERE INTENDED TO MAKE SURE SCHOOLS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY WERE NOT FILLING THEIR STUDENTS BY IMPOSING NATIONAL STANDARDS AND TESTING RIGOR LOOSELY TO MAKE SURE SCHOOLS MET THEM.
THEY AGREED ON STANDARDS FOR MATH.
THEY AGREED ON STANDARDS FOR ENGLISH.
THEY SHOVED HISTORY TO THE SIDE NOT BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT IT WAS UNIMPORTANT BUT BECAUSE IT WAS SO FIERCELY CONTESTED IT THREATENED TO SINK THE ENTIRE ENDEAVOR AND THE PREDICTABLE RESULT WAS THAT SCHOOLS THAT STARTED STRUGGLING ON MATH OR ENGLISH TO MEET THE STANDARDS WOULD CUT THE CLASSROOM TIME DEVOTED TO HISTORY AND SOCIAL STUDIES ON AVERAGE BY A THIRD IN THE YEARS RIGHT AFTER NCLB PASSED.
ATHLETIC COACHES THAT NEEDED TO FIND FULL-TIME JOBS FOR, MOVE THEM OUT OF ENGLISH AND MATH CLASSROOMS AND INTO HISTORY CUSTOMS WHERE THEIR PERFORMANCE WASN'T GOING TO BE EVALUATED IN THE SAME WAY.
THE PRAYER --THE SCHOOLS FUNDING WOULD NOT BE -- THE STEPCHILD DOES THAT'S NOT TO SAY THERE AREN'T FIND HISTORY TEACHERS OUT THERE.
THERE ARE MANY WHO ARE LABORING MIGHTILY IN AMERICA'S CLASSROOMS, BUT, IT IS THE IRONIC RESULT OF HISTORY HAVING BEEN SO IMPORTANT TO EVERYONE THAT THEY COULDN'T AGREE ON WHAT WE SHOULD TEACH IS THAT HISTORY HAS RECEIVED FEWER RESOURCES.
HISTORY INSTRUCTORS ARE LESS LIKELY TO HAVE A DEGREE IN THE SUBJECT THEY ARE TEACHING AND TEACHERS AND OTHER SUBJECTS.
IT HAS BECOME SOMETHING THAT REALLY GETS SHORT SHRIFT IN THE EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM.
>> AND SO NOW, AS WE GO INTO THE 250th, GIVE ME SOME EXAMPLES OF WHERE YOU SEE THE ABANDONMENT.
THESE ARE YOUR WORDS.
THE ABANDONMENT OF THE EFFORT TO TELL THE AMERICAN STORY AND COULD WE HAVE USED --I THINK WE MISSED THE CHANCE --COULD WE HAVE USED THIS CELEBRATION TO RESTORE THAT?
>> YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD TWO PRESIDENTIAL ADMITTED PATIENTS INVOLVED IN PLANNING FOR 250th IN A HEAVY WAY.
THE BIDEN ADMISSION FELT IN ONE DIRECTION.
RATHER THAN CREATING UNIFYING EVENTS OR REALLY TRYING TO PUT ANY KIND OF JUST BEHIND THE CELEBRATION, IT CLEANED IN SORT OF AN ALMOST CARICATURE OF THE PROGRESSIVE APPROACH TO THESE THINGS.
IT LAUNCHED A BIG WORLD HISTORY INITIATIVE TO ASK EVERY AMERICAN TO TELL THEIR OWN STORY.
CREATED SORT OF DOWNLOADABLE KITS THAT LOCAL ORGANIZATIONS, MUSEUMS, HISTORICAL SOCIETIES COULD USE TO BRAND THE THINGS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE DOING ANYWAY.
EVERY INDIVIDUAL, EVERY COMMUNITY WAS ENCOURAGED TO TELL THE STORY FOR ITSELF.
BUT THERE WAS NO ABILITY TO PULL TOGETHER ANYTHING COMMON FOR FEAR OF WHAT WOULD BE EXCLUDED, WHO WOULD BE OFFENDED SO THERE WAS A TOTAL ABDICATION.
ON THE OTHER HAND, THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION HAS COME IN AND IT VERY MUCH LOVES SPECTACLE.
IT HAS WANTED TO CREATE BIG EVENTS, BUT IT HAS NOT HAD ANY DESIRE TO DO IS TO CREATE UNIFYING EVENTS.
THESE EVENTS THAT WE'VE SEEN SO FAR, LIKE THE UFC MATCH ON THE SOUTH LAWN, HAD BEEN BIPARTISAN SPECKLES THAT BUT THE PRESIDENT RIGHT AT THE HEART OF IT.
HE IS SCHEDULED TO KICK OFF THE BIG STATE FAIR HERE IN WASHINGTON, D. C. WITH A SPEECH PUTTING AGAIN A MORE PARTISAN VALENCE --A GROUP THAT CONTROLS AND HAS TAKEN OVER MUCH OF THE SUBMISSION DOES A GROUP CALLED AMERICA 250 THAT HAS SEIZED THE MANTLE FROM AMERICAN CHARTER AND THE AMERICA 250 COMMISSION, SO IF THE DEMOCRATS COULDN'T THINK OF ANY UNIFYING STORY FOR THE COUNTRY TO TELL ITSELF, THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION HAS TACKED HARD ANY OTHER --OPPOSITE DIRECTION AND IT HAS A STORY TO TELL BUT IT IS A NARROWLY PARTISAN VISION AND ONE THAT EXCLUDES MANY AMERICANS SO WE ARE LEFT WITH REALLY A UNIFYING SPECTACLE AND THAT IS REALLY STRANGE.
IT HAS OFTEN BEEN THE CASE THAT THESE ANNIVERSARY YEARS HAVE COME ABOUT IN REALLY DIFFICULT MOMENTS.
IT'S NOT AS IF THIS IS A UNIQUE CHALLENGE.
IT IS A UNIQUE FAILURE.
>> ONE OF THE EXPRESSIONS OF THE PARTISAN FORCES RIPPING APART HISTORY CAME WITH THE MONUMENT REMOVALS AND THEN THE BACKLASH TO THE MONUMENT REMOVALS.
WHY DID THAT ALL OCCUR AND WHAT EFFECT DID THAT HAVE?
>> YOU KNOW, THE PROTEST MOVEMENTS THAT BEGAN BY TARGETING THE CONFEDERATE MEMORIALS TOOK THE CLASSIC TACK OF THE LEFT THROUGH MOST OF AMERICAN HISTORY AND SAID, THERE ARE THINGS THAT ARE NOT LIVING UP TO AMERICAN IDEALS.
ERECTING A STATUE OF SOMEBODY WHO TOOK UP ARMS AGAINST THIS COUNTRY IS THE TRAIL OF BASIC PATRIOTISM.
THAT WAS THE INITIAL ARGUMENT.
AND IT GARNERED BROAD PUBLIC SUPPORT FOR THE REMOVAL OF THE CONFEDERATE MEMORIALS BUT IT VERY QUICKLY SPUN WELL BEYOND THOSE BOUNDS AND INSTEAD OF LABELING THAT --LEVELING THAT SAME CRITIQUE, IT RESULTED IN THE REMOVAL OF MANY OTHER STAGES OF HISTORICAL FIGURES FOR VARIOUS SINCE THEY WERE SAID TO HAVE COMMITTED, AND AT THAT POINT, IT SORT OF JUMPED OVER INTO THE KIND OF NARRATIVE OF THE AMERICAN PAST THAT STRESSES THE SINS ABOVE THE TRIUMPHS THAT SAYS, TO THE EXTENT THAT ANY PARTICULAR HISTORICAL CHARACTER CAN BE TIED TO WRONGDOING THEN THAT PERSON IS NO SAINT AND SHOULDN'T BE MEMORIALIZED.
BUT ALL OF OUR FOUNDERS WERE NOT SAINTS.
VERY FEW OF US ARE SAINTS EITHER.
SO THE CALLING DOWN OF ICONOCLASM LEFT MANY IMMIGRANTS FEELING AS IF THAT THEIR OWN UNDERSTANDING OF THEMSELVES AND THEIR COUNTRY WAS BEING THREATENED AND WE SAW A SUDDEN AND DRAMATIC ACTING OF SUPPORT FOR THAT MOVEMENT AND A BACKLASH AGAINST IT AND NOW DONALD TRUMP IS PROMISING A STATUARY PARK WITH 250 GREAT AMERICAN'S INCLUDING STAGES OF MANY FOLKS WHO WERE REMOVED IN THAT SPASM OF ICONOCLASM SO AGAIN AND AGAIN, WE SEE THE CYCLE OF ACTION AND COUNTER REACTION INSTEAD OF AN EFFORT TO BRIDGE THE CHASM AND FIND THE COMMON THINGS THAT WE CAN RALLY AROUND.
>> YONI APPELBAUM, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.
>> THANK YOU.
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