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It's the maybe the most important program uh most important topics of this program.

Maybe not the most.

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It is the most important program on PBS on YouTube.

>> All right.

So much for it's not how he did this in rehearsal, but >> it's not according to the script.

I can tell you that.

>> That's for sure.

Sarah Fenske, I want to ask you about 270 in Manchester.

It's where Robert Hernandez is waging a legal battle against the city of Des Peres because he wants to stand on the median, ask for money, and then walk up to the cars and uh you know, get money.

So, it's uh, right?

That's what we call this.

But um the city of Des Peres doesn't like that because first of all it's very dangerous to have people walking through the streets especially at 270 and Manchester where there are no sidewalks really.

It's not there's no pedestrian access.

His attorney is one of the best Bevis Shock who's defending him and says that asking for money is actually his first amendment privilege.

What do you think?

>> I think Bevis is a great American and I agree with him on this one.

I don't agree with him on everything.

Want to just lay that out there.

Um no I think he's right.

You know, you do have a first amendment right to free speech.

And if your free speech is, "Hey, Charlie, can you give me 10 bucks?"

The government shouldn't be able to stop me from saying that.

I think we're trying to criminalize being poor in so many ways.

You can't sleep outside even if you have no house to go to.

You can't uh stand there in a median and ask somebody for money.

I don't like it.

I'm glad people >> Well, except Sarah, you're talking about walking in traffic.

I mean, there's two or three lanes and the these the people who are panhandling, if somebody in the middle lane >> like yourself decides, hey, I'm going to give this guy money, the the person has to walk between cars, he's in the lanes, the light changes, people are driving.

I think it's a dangerous situation.

And I think that you can say, "Hey, if you want to stand on the sidewalk and panhandle for money, okay, but you you can't go into traffic.

You can't do you sleep in traffic?

>> I'll tell you a brief correction though about the way she drives.

She's never in the center lane.

She's always in the left hand lane.

Not true, Wendy.

Not true.

I will say as a city resident, uh, we have pan handlers everywhere.

I mean, Grand, which is the main street outside of my neighborhood, there are pan handlers kind of weaving in and out of the lanes.

And it's something that if you are not looking at your phone and texting your buddy, you can figure out how to deal with it.

I have not heard of an onslaught of pan handling.

pedestrians being killed all the time.

>> I just don't I'm sorry.

>> No, I mean you've made this point many times.

>> The number of pedestrians that are here are not pan.

I don't know what they are.

I don't know what they are.

>> People on bicycles, people walking people walking in traffic like pan handlers.

We can't avoid we can't even avoid other cars.

>> The funny thing is you never f they always say a pedestrian's hit, you know, on this street or that street.

They never say what the pedestrian was doing really except in famous cases like if a broadcast dies that way which one did this year.

>> I have read a whole book about this statistically what it is is it is in these like these streets that are there's not convenient crossing places and it is people who are tend to be lower income and are trying to like get to the bus stop.

There's all sorts of stats on this.

It is not pan handlers who are the pedestrians being murdered.

>> Uh sometimes yes, sometimes no because mcland has been crazy and it's I think it's the the the speed of the automobile.

270 Manchester is a dangerous place to be.

That's I I I think you could legislate or not.

Let me just say like look whatever we do there got there have to be some places that you cannot be standing out there on the island and um >> leaving here about three weeks ago headed um south on I guess uh Vanderventeer where Forest Park Parkway I guess it is or right there where IKEA is.

Yeah, >> there's somebody that's there.

He's dressed in all black and walked out in front of a myself and another car and he was lucky that either I or the other car didn't hit him and all the way home I kept thinking like now if I had hit that person it would have been all my fault and my whole life would have changed and I understand he may have a right to be out there but at the same time it's dangerous.

>> I I I I also think when the founding fathers came up with uh the first amendment >> uh they weren't thinking about begging on streets.

I I I think it's commercial speech and I think commercial speech can be regulated >> well and we've lived here I mean think of how long all of us have lived here.

I still have to pay very close attention to those lanes at 270 in Manchester because >> No.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

I'm not making that up.

We know that right there is kind of >> they are very confusing.

Let me ask you, Wendy, about Anne Wagner, Congresswoman, who uh got on Twitter maybe a little too quickly this week because people uh in California were complaining about uh the Republicans uh restricting their signature gathering process when it came to redistricting.

So, these were California activists, and she complained on Twitter that these California uh activists were out of bounds.

Who needs this out of state stuff?

Turns out these California activists were from California, Missouri.

So, it was really embarrassing for the congresswoman.

She deleted the tweet.

In the spirit of the holiday season, do you say, "Hey, let's let this one go by?"

>> I think it's interesting because of all of the I mean, I don't know if is ink even spilled anymore in a digital world.

I mean, I I don't know.

But of all of the attention that this has received um in terms of Anne Wagner, the same people who are are like throwing her under the wheels of the bus are the same ones who said there was absolutely no story when the president of the United States didn't seem to know where he was.

So, I agree.

I think we need to have a Christmas mulligan for Congresswoman Wagner.

I mean, this is We all have our moments.

I have them on this show.

So, you know, let's let's just cut her some slack.

>> I think the reason this one has resonated is it plays into the perception that people have that Ann Wagner is not spending much time in Missouri and not paying attention to Missouri and so she doesn't know there's a California Missouri.

That's why everybody finds this so funny, >> right?

And and you know, she if people could hear her in person in a town hall or something or she gave interviews or something like that, it it wouldn't be so much.

So, it's the the fact that she goes out on social media and talks about something that she really doesn't quite understand that that's why I did.

>> Well, our own Ray Hartman called it she had her Emily Latella moment from Saturday Night Live.

You know, never mind.

But I think what it shows is is that a not paying attention and b like, oh, whatever Trump wants, Trump gets.

And you didn't even stop to think that, okay, making a fool of yourself, uh, it doesn't matter.

Trump will he won't be mad at me even if I'm wrong or if I'm whatever.

And it just shows that just like what are you doing?

Like what are you what are you thinking?

>> Why be on Twitter criticizing but yeah just US representative.

Well, >> it's just a chance to talk about George Soros, you know?

I mean, >> what's the point?

>> Elvin, I want to ask you about Joe Buck.

Uh the broadcaster from St.

Lewis not only is in the broadcaster wing of the NFL Hall of Fame in Canton, but now he's going to Cooperstown.

It was announced this week that he uh will be in Cooperstown this summer.

It's a huge honor, of course.

And uh a ton of stories, not all, but a ton made big mention of the fact that yeah, his dad got him a job when he was 19, gave him a big boost.

I think it's actually a quote from a local story.

I'm thinking to myself, when does the statute of limitations end?

His dad helped him 36 years ago when he was 19.

He's now 56, 57 years old.

He's called 24 World Series on network television, six Super Bowls.

He has eight Emmys.

His wonderful father passed away a quarter century ago.

Can't he kind of get a nice story and just be the center of attention without people kind of claiming this sort of nepotism?

>> Well, I mean I I think that Joe Joe Buck has earned everything that he has gotten in life and he's an excellent broadcaster.

You can't leave out who his his father was.

I mean, you just can't.

And that's part of the story.

Now, I always got a kick that he went to Indiana and I always tell him like, "You should have went to KU and you'd be doing twice as well."

He laughs.

Uh, but yeah, I think you do have to mention it.

And I just think that's I mean, I I didn't have a a famous dad, you know, and I guess maybe none of us did, but if we did, I think we would acknowledge the fact that he's always going to be a part of my story or she is always if he had a famous mom.

>> I I I don't think he objects to it at all.

I mean, he he's proud that he proud of his dad and and you know, he's done so well given a little bit of a push.

I mean, my gosh, he and Troy Aman are the new John Madden and >> Yeah.

>> whoever.

>> Matt Summerl.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I I I just I just think it it has to get a little old.

It's got to get a little old because I think it's just a wonderful I think it's a it's just a wonderful human interest story when you have a father and a son who both excel at the same thing.

the the the surname maybe helped him get into the door, but sports broadcasting is such a brutal business that he he would never have lasted as long as he has.

And I think that speaking of brutal, just the the the social media commentary from sports fans, it's it's it's awful.

>> It's tough.

You mean they're critical of Joe?

critical of everybody, Bill.

Everybody >> and and the and the histrionics when Joe Buck does the World Series and the Cardinals play and he cheating against this and it it's silly, but that's part of the >> world.

I kind of think this is silly.

I think if your dad is a legend, you can't follow your dad into his line of work without expecting that to be something that is going to be carved on your great great he knew what he was doing when he he went into the family business.

I I I understand that to be true, but I think that he actually his father is part of his story more than George Herbert Walker Bush was part of GWB's story or Robert F. Kennedy.

They don't refer to his dad all the time in stories.

>> Michael Douglas.

Well, that's different though.

No, those are different.

That's the thing.

These all these individuals have gotten to great success, you know, with some help from their dads, but it doesn't have to be in every story.

And it kind of gets me every time Joe is interviewed.

Every single time he his dad is brought up and his dad is a saint in this town.

There's no doubt about it.

>> But did we bring up Jack butt when we interviewed him that time on when we were doing the >> I probably did not.

I did.

Point of not.

>> I was going to say I didn't.

There's one interview.

>> You guys are bad interviewers.

>> I got says the uh >> the host of the 314 podcast by the way interviews the mayor of St.

Louis in this most recent.

That one just dropped this morning.

>> Well, I think you're a great interviewer and so are you.

>> Oh, I I followed your lead on that.

Don't you >> Hey, thank you so much for joining us and congratulations to Joe Buck and uh we'll see you next week at this time.